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What causes this?
Post by Silverine »
I've seen this effect before, but I'm not sure what causes it. Is it flaxen or pangare? This is on a bay horse, and I didn't think flaxen affected bays, but I also didn't think pangare affected manes or tails. Any answers?
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Re: What causes this?
Post by Baranduin Brewster »
I have several, like this in fact...and believe it is a dun expression.
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Somewhere I have a topic on this very thing...it is predominant with FJords (IRL), which is why it is seen on only bays so far.
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Re: What causes this?
Post by Totina »
It is definitely not flaxen since flaxen is only visible on chestnut.Baranduin Brewster wrote:
I have several, like this in fact...and believe it is a dun expression.
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Somewhere I have a topic on this very thing...it is predominant with FJords (IRL), which is why it is seen on only bays so far.
It is also not caused by dun as you can't see any other signs of dun on the AC caspian in the first post and the second horse Baranduin Brewster linked. AC caspians don't carry the dun gene, which makes it clear that the effect is not connected to dun.
Whatever it is it also causes the mane and tail to be lighter but I don't know of any well known genes that would be a possible cause to the effects seen it these horses.
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Re: What causes this?
Post by Baranduin Brewster »
I found this horse that is from two AC Caspian horses, it looks dun to meTotina wrote:It is definitely not flaxen since flaxen is only visible on chestnut.Baranduin Brewster wrote:
I have several, like this in fact...and believe it is a dun expression.
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Somewhere I have a topic on this very thing...it is predominant with FJords (IRL), which is why it is seen on only bays so far.
It is also not caused by dun as you can't see any other signs of dun on the AC caspian in the first post and the second horse Baranduin Brewster linked. AC caspians don't carry the dun gene, which makes it clear that the effect is not connected to dun.
Whatever it is it also causes the mane and tail to be lighter but I don't know of any well known genes that would be a possible cause to the effects seen it these horses.
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I do know there are times when dun traits cannot be found out until other outside factors come into play, like Lp.
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Re: What causes this?
Post by Totina »
Okay, then dun exists in caspians, even though I haven't seen them earlier. But still, the effect with lighter legs and maines/tails is most likely not caused by dun since there are no other signs of dun in the horses (like a dorsal stripe and lighter coloured coat overall).Baranduin Brewster wrote:
I found this horse that is from two AC Caspian horses, it looks dun to me
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Re: What causes this?
Post by Baranduin Brewster »
Maybe its just a form of Primitive Markings, its just odd that all of the ones I've had so far have come from Dun lines.Totina wrote:Okay, then dun exists in caspians, even though I haven't seen them earlier. But still, the effect with lighter legs and maines/tails is most likely not caused by dun since there are no other signs of dun in the horses (like a dorsal stripe and lighter coloured coat overall).Baranduin Brewster wrote:
I found this horse that is from two AC Caspian horses, it looks dun to me
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/757067
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Re: What causes this?
Post by Totina »
That's possible. It could just be a coincidence that the markings came from dun horses in your lines from the start. The AC caspian linked in the first post here shows no other signs of dun, which makes me believe that the markings are caused by a gene similar to pangare and sooty.Baranduin Brewster wrote:
Maybe its just a form of Primitive Markings, its just odd that all of the ones I've had so far have come from Dun lines.
What would be interesting to know though is if it is visible on other kinds of coat colours like brown, black and chestnut or if it is something connected to bay/wild bay only.
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Re: What causes this?
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I've tried to get it to transfer on to other colors, without any success.Totina wrote:That's possible. It could just be a coincidence that the markings came from dun horses in your lines from the start. The AC caspian linked in the first post here shows no other signs of dun, which makes me believe that the markings are caused by a gene similar to pangare and sooty.Baranduin Brewster wrote:
Maybe its just a form of Primitive Markings, its just odd that all of the ones I've had so far have come from Dun lines.
What would be interesting to know though is if it is visible on other kinds of coat colours like brown, black and chestnut or if it is something connected to bay/wild bay only.
Bita was also working on this to test that out
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Re: What causes this?
Post by Totina »
Then perhaps it is either only visible on bay or it is a variation of bay, like there are different shades of bay already (darker, lighter etc).Baranduin Brewster wrote:
I've tried to get it to transfer on to other colors, without any success.
Bita was also working on this to test that out
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Re: What causes this?
Post by Baranduin Brewster »
I also, found reference in the forums where dun was suppose to cause different colors in the mane/tailTotina wrote:Then perhaps it is either only visible on bay or it is a variation of bay, like there are different shades of bay already (darker, lighter etc).Baranduin Brewster wrote:
I've tried to get it to transfer on to other colors, without any success.
Bita was also working on this to test that out
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