Need help naming these colors

[Emiliares]

Hello,
Are these horses pseudo white, or something else?













And what about these?






















Thank you for help!

[AltNazarach]

Hello,
Are these horses pseudo white, or something else?


Thank you for help!

hi ^^ the first ones can be called pseudo white as they are ... white. white isn't a color itself, so pseudo white is just a description for the look, as the horses have an actual base coat of chestnut, black, bay or brown. They all have many kinds of dillutions going on, pearl in some instances, cream, champagne and silver or other not visible genes which might be hidden because they are just to light in color to see.
the 'pseudo whites' are hard to figure out for sure, cause if their ancestors were 'white' for a couple of generations it is nearly impossible to be sure what combination they carry exactly as the outlook/phenotype is similiar but the genes/genotype itself differs from each other.

the others are somewhat easier as there is at least some characteristics but there is the issue of ambiguous parents as well...

red fox I'm very unsure about, perhaps a silver bay with champagne and cream...?

Kaidun Tango could have a bay base with champagne, cream and possibly pearl. (lighter than what I know of black based, but not in the 'yellow-ish' range for silver to come into play)

Tundra Sonata has a black base with champ, cream and possibly pearl

Next Kaidun I'm pretty sure has a chestnut base, champagne and double pearl with flaxen (no light eyes, so no cream; the seemingly pure chestnut ancestor is the one I'm putting my money on as he could have hidden the flaxen and pearl)

the unnamed one very likely a silver dappled smoky cream (I spy no obvious freckles, so no champagne, and the color is yellowish with dapples, so silver seems quite likely)

spot-one might have a black base with silver, champagne and double pearl (as above, just no light eyes, so double peal and he has light freckles which indicate champagne)

Deja Devout is likely a silver classic champagne tobiano (his foal picture indicates the base best and the sock from tobiano, as well as the silver dapples beginning to brighten the coat - just his mane seems a bit weird... so I'm not quite sure about that; he very likely has a hidden pearl gene as well)


these might be off with the base (bay and brown are hard to differentiate under these many dillutions) and a few genes they might posses could be not quite visible, but I think this might help for a start?

[HallOfFame 2]

Colors

I am not an expert at colors, but the first horse looks much like this mare: Mare
. Maybe their coloring is similar because they both have the freckles on their noses meaning they carry the Pearl Gene. I do think however some people classify as just white horses but the proper color I believe is Smoky Black Pearl.

Your ninth horse looks much like this boy: Colt
but he would be Black Pearl Dapple since his mane and tail are not silvery.

Your sixth horse I guess to be Champagne and the seventh to be Smokey Champagne.

This is really al the help I can give you, but I would suggest asking

Ping: Horse Colors

to check it over.

~ HOF 2

[BlackOak2]

Thank you for help!

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Okay, I received the ping. This was already on my menu to look over as I cruise anyway.
First and foremost, I am no expert on dilutions. I tend to go to dilution breeders to correct what I get wrong. But let's see what my assumptions describe the colors to be.

We'll go one by one, since you have a lot of horses here. I suggest that you learn your colors, especially if you'll be working with dilutions. Naming base colors and variant genes for the community is decently easy and you'll likely receive an answer for an unknown color quick, but the dilutions, especially when dealing with pseudo-whites are an entirely different matter. IF you get an answer, there is a much greater chance that the answer is incorrect, half correct, or just a matter of 'yes, that's a white horse, the color is white'... when white doesn't yet exist in the game.

Most of your horses that you posted would indeed be considered pseudo-whites, if only because they appear white, as Nazarach has already stated.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1873790
Pseudo-white.
Champagne, likely double cream on what I'm saying is most likely a bay base. Consider the legs, there is a slightly different shading there... thus we think of either bay or brown. For the mane and tail to by so light, I'd also suggest silver. Blue eyes, not green, so no tiger eye and it tells us either double cream or cream and pearl. This horse could very well be a cream and pearl, there is a pearl gene in it's pedigree, but I'm sticking with double cream, this is more likely. Real color most likely is silver pearlino champagne (there may also be dun and pangare involved).

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1877294
This one is the same as the first. With the exception of additional pangare on either brown or bay. They're both related, so their lines will produce similar offspring. So either the same color as above or silver brown cream champagne pangare with possible dun.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1877262
Another that's related to the first two. Except this one's color is much more uniform. So either on chestnut or black. My money's on black though. I want to say I see just the barest hint of dappling. So you either have silver dappled smoky cream champagne or cremello champagne (with possible flaxen)... There could also be dun and pangare hidden on this horse, since it's in this line.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1997236
This horse, again related to the above, carries tiger eye, so now you know that your line also carries a hidden tiger eye, but it's overruled by the cream gene that causes blue eyes. There is a chance (greater in my opinion, because of the color of both parents), that this horse is a double pearl... however, it's more likely that this horse is a cream and pearl or just a double cream like the others. Again, uniformity likely indicates on chestnut or black. So color is like the one just above but could also be palomino pearl champagne (cream and pearl), smoky cream pearl champagne (cream and pearl), apricot champagne (double pearl), or black pearl classic champagne (double pearl). Of course don't forget the silver and flaxen. But I don't believe this one's black, I see no signs of dapples (caused by the silver gene when paired with black) and you will need silver for the mane and tail to be brilliantly bright as it is.

Now on to the easier ones:
http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1861821
Nazarach suggested a silver bay with champagne and cream. I can agree with this, it's either bay or brown. I'd include tiger eye and also say that this is likely double pearl (because of the creaminess color). Don't forget the possibility of pangare.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1996057
Another pseudo-white.
Bred from the same line as the ultra-brights above. I'd say likely on bay. So I agree with Nazarach.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1846314
Another from that same line.
Likely on black, but with no silver.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1877258
Again, I'm agreeing with Nazarach. This horse is a double pearl, the dark eyes give it away.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1878792
On black, with dapples, so that's silver, double cream, but could be cream and pearl. Again I agree.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1658869
Again I agree, black with dapples, dark eyes, most likely double pearl, but this one has champagne.

http://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1668713
This one is the same as the one directly above.

So again, these might not be exactly right... but they are close.

To clear up two thoughts: freckles are not indicative of pearl, freckles are indicative of champagne.
Dapples on this game come from three genes, the graying gene, the sooty gene and the silver gene when paired with black. If the horse has dapples, it's from one of these three genes.

[Emiliares]

Hi,
First of all thank you all so much for these very detailed responses! I'm trying to get a better understanding of horse colors and this definitely helps a lot.

If I can bother you with one more horse color question:




Once again a huge thank you!

[BlackOak2]

Hi,
First of all thank you all so much for these very detailed responses! I'm trying to get a better understanding of horse colors and this definitely helps a lot.

If I can bother you with one more horse color question:



Once again a huge thank you!

Smoky silver dappled grulla.
These dapples are from black and the silver gene. Plus since one parent is a double dilute (either cream and pearl or double cream), then this foal is carrying a hidden dilute gene.