Need breeding advice

[HannahIsCoolAndNB]

Trying to bring back the Bashkir Curly breed and I want to make a plain colored chestnut one with no markings to sell. So far I haven't been very successful, does anyone have any ideas on how I'd breed different colors?? Any advice is appreciated

[RoseeDelight]

Trying to bring back the Bashkir Curly breed and I want to make a plain colored chestnut one with no markings to sell. So far I haven't been very successful, does anyone have any ideas on how I'd breed different colors?? Any advice is appreciated

look above. Hope I remembered correctly which player is the colors expert lol

[Silverine]

Trying to bring back the Bashkir Curly breed and I want to make a plain colored chestnut one with no markings to sell. So far I haven't been very successful, does anyone have any ideas on how I'd breed different colors?? Any advice is appreciated

Chestnut is recessive to black. (Bay, brown, and black are all black colors.) So to get a chestnut you either need to breed a chestnut to a chestnut, a chestnut to a black horse that has hidden chestnut, or a black horse with hidden chestnut to another black horse with hidden chestnut.

In the first case (chestnut x chestnut) you will always get a chestnut foal.

In the second case (chestnut x carrier) you have a 50% chance for a chestnut foal and 50% for black.

In the third case (carrier x carrier) you have a 25% chance for a chestnut foal and 75% for black.

Do you have any particular breeding stock you're currently using? I'd be happy to give them a look and let you know what their prospects are.

[HannahIsCoolAndNB]

Trying to bring back the Bashkir Curly breed and I want to make a plain colored chestnut one with no markings to sell. So far I haven't been very successful, does anyone have any ideas on how I'd breed different colors?? Any advice is appreciated

Chestnut is recessive to black. (Bay, brown, and black are all black colors.) So to get a chestnut you either need to breed a chestnut to a chestnut, a chestnut to a black horse that has hidden chestnut, or a black horse with hidden chestnut to another black horse with hidden chestnut.

In the first case (chestnut x chestnut) you will always get a chestnut foal.

In the second case (chestnut x carrier) you have a 50% chance for a chestnut foal and 50% for black.

In the third case (carrier x carrier) you have a 25% chance for a chestnut foal and 75% for black.

Do you have any particular breeding stock you're currently using? I'd be happy to give them a look and let you know what their prospects are.

Hi, thank you so much for all the advice!! This is my stock (https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/151784 https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/157534). They're all pretty similar to each other in regards to color, should I try to cross them with another breed if I want new colors??

[Silverine]

Hi, thank you so much for all the advice!! This is my stock (https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/151784 https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/157534). They're all pretty similar to each other in regards to color, should I try to cross them with another breed if I want new colors??

Your biggest issue at the moment is going to be getting rid of the appaloosa spotting. You have a bunch of horses that are homozygous for it, meaning that any of their babies will have at least one copy. (And if you breed them to each other you will end up with more homozygous babies.)

These horses will always give you foals with appaloosa spots:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2948622
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2947363
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2938812
And everybody in this pasture: https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/157534

Wanna Win also has a chance of passing dun. I don't know if dun is something you want to exclude, but just wanted to let you know it's there.

Gallop Doll is your best choice for plain chestnut right now. He's already chestnut and doesn't have appaloosa spotting, but he does have dun. My suggestion is to breed him to your full BC mares (https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2948622, https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2938812). The foals produced will be mostly BC and will be red-based with one copy of appaloosa spotting and possibly dun. Then, breed the resulting foals with a Grade horse that does not have Lp or To. Using a grade horse will not add a secondary breed to the horses breed label - you'll end up with a Part-Bashkir Curly instead of a Part-Bashkir Curly x (some other breed).

(Your grade crosses will still have some arabian in them at first because of the percentage of arabian in Gallop Doll.)

I did some cursory browsing of the grades available. Here are a few that could work:
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/119587 (Red dun)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/748220 (Plain chestnut)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1241987 (Another red dun)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1762649 (Very pretty sorrel - chestnut w/ pangare)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1044634 (Red dun)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2277195 (Flaxen chestnut)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2609463 (Chestnut - this one has stockings but they shouldn't be hard to breed out)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2683524 (Flaxen chestnut w/ feathers)

Your goal with the grade crosses is no spots. The offspring of Gallop Doll and one of your full BC mares will have one copy of spots, so 50% of their offspring will also have spots. It'll be a coin flip whether or not each baby comes out with spots so you may have to pop several foals before getting the correct result.

Once you have the no-spot babies you can go two different ways:
1. Breed the babies with unspotted grades until you completely breed out the arabian in the breed name, then breed the new mixed BCs to each other until you get back to purebred. (In case you haven't done this before, breeding in HWO works where if you breed two part-bred horses of the same part-breed back to each other the foal will be a greater percentage of that breed: for example, breeding two 50% arabians together will give you a 65% arabian foal.)
Going with this method means you don't have to worry about spots once they're gone.
2. Breed the unspotted babies with your full BC mares. This will get you closer to full-blooded BC but means you will have to do another round of getting rid of the spots.

I hope that's helpful. Let me know if you have any other questions.

[HannahIsCoolAndNB]

Hi, thank you so much for all the advice!! This is my stock (https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/151784 https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/157534). They're all pretty similar to each other in regards to color, should I try to cross them with another breed if I want new colors??

Your biggest issue at the moment is going to be getting rid of the appaloosa spotting. You have a bunch of horses that are homozygous for it, meaning that any of their babies will have at least one copy. (And if you breed them to each other you will end up with more homozygous babies.)

These horses will always give you foals with appaloosa spots:
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2948622
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2947363
https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2938812
And everybody in this pasture: https://www.horseworldonline.net/farm/pasture/157534

Wanna Win also has a chance of passing dun. I don't know if dun is something you want to exclude, but just wanted to let you know it's there.

Gallop Doll is your best choice for plain chestnut right now. He's already chestnut and doesn't have appaloosa spotting, but he does have dun. My suggestion is to breed him to your full BC mares (https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2948622, https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2938812). The foals produced will be mostly BC and will be red-based with one copy of appaloosa spotting and possibly dun. Then, breed the resulting foals with a Grade horse that does not have Lp or To. Using a grade horse will not add a secondary breed to the horses breed label - you'll end up with a Part-Bashkir Curly instead of a Part-Bashkir Curly x (some other breed).

(Your grade crosses will still have some arabian in them at first because of the percentage of arabian in Gallop Doll.)

I did some cursory browsing of the grades available. Here are a few that could work:
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/119587 (Red dun)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/748220 (Plain chestnut)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1241987 (Another red dun)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1762649 (Very pretty sorrel - chestnut w/ pangare)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/1044634 (Red dun)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2277195 (Flaxen chestnut)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2609463 (Chestnut - this one has stockings but they shouldn't be hard to breed out)
- https://www.horseworldonline.net/horse/profile/2683524 (Flaxen chestnut w/ feathers)

Your goal with the grade crosses is no spots. The offspring of Gallop Doll and one of your full BC mares will have one copy of spots, so 50% of their offspring will also have spots. It'll be a coin flip whether or not each baby comes out with spots so you may have to pop several foals before getting the correct result.

Once you have the no-spot babies you can go two different ways:
1. Breed the babies with unspotted grades until you completely breed out the arabian in the breed name, then breed the new mixed BCs to each other until you get back to purebred. (In case you haven't done this before, breeding in HWO works where if you breed two part-bred horses of the same part-breed back to each other the foal will be a greater percentage of that breed: for example, breeding two 50% arabians together will give you a 65% arabian foal.)
Going with this method means you don't have to worry about spots once they're gone.
2. Breed the unspotted babies with your full BC mares. This will get you closer to full-blooded BC but means you will have to do another round of getting rid of the spots.

I hope that's helpful. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thank you so much, this was extremely helpful!!!